
by Dave
1/06/2006 05:52:00 AM
Dave,
Excellent analysis - I agree that if there is a housing bubble - it is local to areas in high demand & limited stock (ECO-101 - supply & demand). I wish the press would lay-off their chatter about "bursting bubbles". There will not be a burst unless someone (the Press, prehaps?) continues with their reporting none-news which causes a panic!
thanks for a great article.
joanfrac
By Joan Frac, at 9:23 AM, January 06, 2006
He's still on that Flatland theme, which has been debunked ages ago. I live in Phoenix and housing prices have risen here dramatically, despite the availability of plenty of land, and energetic housing starts. He needs to get outside of the Princeton area a little more often.
By Pat, at 10:26 AM, January 06, 2006
Dave,
I agree with you that Paul Krugman is a hack and his analysis is not even worth discussing. But your analyis is off-base also. I will try to demonstrate using your "logic" of a closed society why there is in fact a HUGE BUBBLE. And it is not the PRESS that is stirring up the consciousness of the events unfolding.
First, there is PLENTY of land. People were claiming we were running out of land in Florida in the 1920's. But your analysis of interest rates shows a complete lack of understanding of economies. Rates are LOW by historical standards. To get the real rate, you DEDUCT inflation (which is grossly underestimated) from the offered rate. In your example 2 - 4 = -2 %, NOT 6%.
Your return on your money is based on what you have to show after deducting inflation, which shrinks its value, not increases it.
Also, housing is NOT always in short supply. There are many cases of "overbuilding" which is what we are seeing today.
I will demonstrate using your overly-simplified community.
In your 2000 household community, let's say 1000 are owners and 1000 are renters.
Interest rates are 10%, so many renters can afford to buy, although they would like to.
The government (not free market) lowers the borrowing rate to 5%. This make houses 2x more affordable. 1000 people move to buy homes, rather than rent.
But now, the economy becomes dynamic. The owners realize they can RAISE THE PRICE 2x, and the cost of rent is the same. Bingo...huge price inflation. HOUSING PRICES double. What has happened during the year in the basic "economy"?? Nothing has changed. The interest rate reduction caused a HUGE RISE IN DEMAND>.
This whole scenerio plays out over time, so there are people buying and selling and the interest rates are falling as prices are rising. Do you understand the dynamic??
Now, everybody in town sees that real estate is the hottest thing going... They all want to buy houses and become "landlords" or "flip" houses. NEW building starts increase as OWNERS bid for investment properties. Of the 2000 people, during the transition....1000 Owners order 500 new builds, as 200 compete with the 1000 renters for existing homes driving prices and material costs even higher (supply and artifical demand).
By the following year there will be 2500 homes, 300 not occupied, with 800 new owners (1800 total) and 200 still renting, unable to afford the "new price".
The 500 NEW home buyers for "2nd homes" were able to buy because the cost of money is ZERO. They hope to get 100% appreciation on their "investment" at 5% carrying cost, which they don't have to pay until they sell the following year.
But there's a catch. There are more homes than buyers....and the price of credit is going back to 10% from 5%.
This is the classic bubble scenerio. Over-investment, based on "speculation". This is caused by cheap money creating rising prices.
There is a "bubble", which is starting to unfold as people bought houses not as homes, but as speculators hoping to cash in on the rising prices, resulting from lower borrowing costs. The costs will rise, the "appreciation" will stop and then people will unload their "investments", as they are no longer profitable.
I suggest you go back to economics 101. You will see that supply and demand will work, but they didn't teach you about government's interference in the cost of money. If the demand for money(credit) is so very high( which it is), is should be continually increasing, which it has not.
The central banks have flooded the markets with "credit" and it is chasing "assets". This is not simply "supply and demand" of the housing markets. It's directed inflation.
That is why the FED keeps things like housing and energy and food and medical care, and similar things we need to live out of their "cost of goods" analysis.
IF the cost of funds was not negative, and if the carrying costs on housing were "market driven", then the price of funds would increase rapidly (high demand), as the investment aspect of real estate would rapidly disappear. And the demand would evaporate. This is what is slowly happening.(It may, in fact, start happening more quickly...i.e. bubble bust).
The Condo market will go first.
Then we will see how much shortage of land there really is.
By diogenes, at 10:48 AM, January 07, 2006
diogenes,
I have only one thing to say which is Huh?
The statement "the rate of inflation is understated" is an assertion which requires back up. I do understand economics. The historical real rate of interest is about 2% - 4%. The historical real rate of interest is determined by historical measurements of interest, the methodology for which is never perfect and necessarily a bit inconsistent because goods in the sample basket change as goods in the economy change. But regardless of whether my calculation is correct or not, nobody, absolutely nobody, in economic circles is saying we are at a historically low rate of interest. What's more, nobody, again absolutely nobody, in economic circles is saying interest rates are headed up in a big way. My mistake was to even bother with the real rate of interest discussion.
For a very long time in this country folks got their mortgages at 2% - 6%. Today we are freaked that interest rates are too low because they are around 5% - 7%.
There is not a "housing price bubble" across this land because the percentage of income required for home ownership across the entire land is smaller than it was a generation ago. It is that simple.
My objective was to critique Krugman's analysis, not to offer a perfect alternative.
By Dave, at 4:24 PM, January 07, 2006
Dave,
Let me try again.
The 5-7% interest rates are NOT, what people are using to buy houses.
The driving force behind rises house price is "Creative financing".
In the hot markets, because the prices have been driven by "speculation", the buyers are reverting to mortgages with:
Interest ONly,
Negative amortization
Ajustable payment loans.
They are NOT PAYING the 5-7%. They are paying 1-2% or ZERO percent with NO down payment. That is how they can justify the higher prices.
Prices are out of line with "traditional" mortgages. We need to compare apples to apples.
If the house cost $10,000, we would not care about the rate of interest, because a point here or there would make NO DIFFERENCE to the average buyer.
But the prices have risen to unaffordable levels, unless you don't amortize the mortgage.
Then, yes, the monthly cost is less.
I don't think this makes the houses "more affordable". This has been Krugman and others arguments that houses are more affordable. Because buyers can take advantage of various finanical arrangements that allow them to buy what they really can't afford.
By diogenes, at 8:39 AM, January 08, 2006
Wikipedia does the math. Lower interest rates between 2001–2005 would account for about a 20% rise in valuations if everyone bought using fixed-rate mortgages, and about a 45% rise using ARMs.
But the inflation-adjusted US home price index is up 85%. And a lot more in "frothy" areas.
And since 1890, real estate has appreciated only 0.4%/year.
Oops. That's a bubble. And now rates are rising again. Reversion to the mean is a long way down. There's loads more evidence there and on the blogs as well.
By , at 7:16 PM, January 10, 2006
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